— Would you tell us from your own experience... the position of the judge in Germany prior to the advent of Adolf Hitler.
— The position of the judge was one of complete independence.
— Now, would you describe the contrast, if any after the coming to power of National Socialism in 1933?
— Judges became subject to something outside of objective justice. They became subject to what was necessary for the protection of the country. <...> The first consideration of the judge... became the punishment of acts rather than objective consideration of the case.